Eyesign

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[connie]

Hi All,

I am learning how to breed my birds using Eyesign. If I do it correctly, they should be able to fly distances from 100 to 1000, with no problem and still become Champs. I am learning using Jack Barkel of SA's method of Eyesign.

Does anyone else here follow Eyesign?  

[JCVenter]

Hi Connie

Here is some links about your topic.
Have a look and tell me what you think.

Personally: I can’t see how someone can judge anything (Bird – Horse – Dog) on its eye.
But that is just me.

Hope you enjoy the read.

http://www.silvio-co.com/pigeons/eyesign.htm
http://www.silvio-co.com/pigeons/myths.htm

Ps. if you want some more links about the topic, just ask and I will post it.

JC

[connie]

Hi JC,

Welcome back.

Have you ever heard the saying 'me thinks he does protest too much'? When I was reading the 2 links you sent me, that is the comment that came to mind. I already had Silvo M saved in my favorites, on my computer. Not for his words on eyesign though. LOL. But some other stuff is worth taking the time to read.

It's funny that you should use Silvo as your example. We just completed an 8 race YB series together. It's called the La Tour, held in New Brunswick Canada. This is a very hard 8 race series that I have been told "only the Very Best survive", with the final race being over 440 km of open waters. Or the birds can choose to go around by land and DOUBLE their race distance. As with any one loft race, people send what they consider to be their Very Best birds. My bird was 6th in the final race.

As you will notice, Silvo's 'non eyesign' bird did not return, went Missing In Action, in the 6th race. The bird had only clocked in 4 races, no times in the money.  

CU 23259  Mattacchione, Silvo
Race 1-  1:41:06 - 100 km
Race 2-  1:34:17 - 100 km
Race 3-  7:28:04 - 200 km
Race 4-  Day 2 - 200 km
Race 5-  5:42:46 - 300 km
Race 6-  MIA - 350 km
Race 7-  MIA - 400 km
Race 8-  MIA- 500 km
 
Total Prize Money as of Aug 3/05 - $19,300. There were 8 races to earn money, in many placings.
 
CU 11326 Steacy, Connie- payouts $ 150., $ 100., $ 300. = $ 550. total
CU 23259  Mattacchione, Silvo - $0.

I think I will stick with Eyesign. LOL.
Thanks,
Connie

[JCVenter]

Hi LOL ....

Funny Stuff.  

How did you Breed last year then, with the eye system?


i am just saying what i think about the eye system. I am not saying you are right or that i am wrong.
if you think the eye system works good for you. I dont that is all.

 

[speckled]

never really looked a pigeon straight  in  the eye so i cant coment. But would like to learn if someone has the patients. Speckled.

[Ron]

As you will notice, Silvo's 'non eyesign' bird did not return, went Missing In Action, in the 6th race. The bird had only clocked in 4 races, no times in the money.  
 
CU 11326 Steacy, Connie- payouts $ 150., $ 100., $ 300. = $ 550. total
CU 23259  Mattacchione, Silvo - $0.

I think I will stick with Eyesign. LOL.
Thanks,
Connie

I know a non eyesign bird in the same derby that won $400.00.

I'm sure there were many eyesign birds that went missing, or weren't in the money as well. Would you know if the owner of CU 4841 practices eyesign? He done well winning $4150


Ron

[Thumper]

Hi Ron & JC,

I don't think Connie is eluding to the fact that Eye Sign bred birds are better than the rest, just that one cannot judge them as being inferior just because the owner practises the use of Eye Sign.
For every succesfull pigeon fancier that does not use the Eye I am sure there is one that does.

I also feel that many successful fanciers that say they don't use it actually do, but refrain from "comming out of the closet" because of the way certain fanciers act towards eye sign supporters.

[Ross]

I know a non eyesign bird in the same derby that won $400.00.

I'm sure there were many eyesign birds that went missing, or weren't in the money as well. Would you know if the owner of CU 4841 practices eyesign? He done well winning $4150
Ron

The biggest problem with eyesign in my humble estimation, is that there are for too many people who claim to be some sort of authority on the subject. The only person who's teachings I have followed in any way is Jack Barkel, and only after I had read his postings on the sapml for almost 2 years.

 Whether eyesign is something of substance or not all I can say is that I used it this year for all of my matings and saw a substansional improvement in the race results. When I say that I used it I mean that I hired Jack to grade and pair my birds according to his standards. Had I done it myself I would not have paired many of the pairings as Jack did, and in fact I would have discarded a few of the birds which produced some on the better young ones.

[Ron]

Thumper
I agree with you that for everyone that is successful with eyesign there is one that is successful without eyesign. You've got 50/50 chance either way  

Ron

[connie]

I agree with what Thumper said.

Ron, I was only using my bird and the Article JC had given. I'm sure there were a lot of other 'eyesign' birds in the race. But I have found not all eyesign people understand what they are even looking at in the eye. Either that or they are like me and not good with words, and can't write stuff the way they are thinking it.

I don't know Doug Kirkwood but I will ask around. It will be interesting to see if he does use eyesign.

Ps. speckled, I find the birds who do look you straight in the eye are the better birds. Lol. When they need to turn their head sideways to look at you, it's not good. Picture a bird racing home, there is a telephone pole coming up... if he has to keep turning to check what is coming at him from the front, he will be travelling slower or get wacked by the poles. LOL, just my thoughts.

[Ron]

Either that or they are like me and not good with words, and can't write stuff the way they are thinking it.

I have the same problem Connie lol

Ron

[Corrie]

Hi All

Well I went To Uncle Jack yesterday with one of our Fanciers in the club ROBBIE HALL.

Uncle Jack rated about 78 Pigeons and in the mix were a few pigeons that I took last year to uncle Jack. He rated them and when I got home I checked on the old pages of last year and to my surprise HE RATED THEM THE SAME !!

Anyway Robbie has a cock that produced with a Good hen (died) 6 Pigeons. 1 died, 1 went M.I.A. and the others flown last year for Robbie.
He had 27 places with these pigeons in the FEDERATION AND THE CLUB and a WIN.

He said nothing to Uncle Jack about this pigeon and after Uncle Jack rated it (The very BEST) Robbie told him about the results.

So if that is not proof enought for UNBELIEVERS I would not no what will be good enougt.

Another example is that Robbie had a click pair that He received as a GIFT from a Well known fancier in our FED. He mixed them (last year) with the other pigeons and did not tell Uncle Jack about them. Well as you know Uncle Jack Paired them up again without knowing about the CLICK.

Cheers
Corrie
(the first two year fancier that never raced a race)

[fouram]

I have been reading what all of you have said with regards to "Eyesign" and it's theory.
I applaud those that can use eyesign as a tool (another tool in their arsenal of tools to be used for training, pairing, health, and etc) but it is just ANOTHER tool. Connie knows that I have no birds at the present time, so please take what I have to say with a proverbial "pinch of salt", however it seems to me that there are a proponent amount of "fanciers" that use eyesign to the extent that anything else is as nothing to them, that there are those that use eyesign in conjunction with their own gut feelings, coupled with common sense, an inherent love of their birds, love of competition and the ability to use all knowledge, as long as it is not hurtful to either them, or their charges (the birds) to further their own enjoyment, and the betterment of their birds AND the sport, and there are also those fanciers that "poo-poo" the very notion of eyesign as anything other than "witchcraft"! I hope that I am one of those persons that are able to "see" past the loopholes and all the pitfalls of any system, and, like Connie be able to be intelligent enough to recognize and USE all of those tools that are so readily available to all and sundry. Now, as far as I am personally concerned, all I have to do is to learn what all the terms mean, and how to apply them----*sigh* I can see another 20 years of learning coming up!!!!LOL

[Thumper]

Hi Fouram,

Excellent posting, and very true. As with any theory or fact for that matter, you need to use as many as possible when selecting pigeons for stock.
I do feel that Eye sign IS a viable tool to use as Corrie has demonstrated through Jack, and certainly worth learning.

[tom]

Can we have some eyesign photos like the ones Jack used to put on for everyone to rate. I used to enjoy reading everyones ratings

[Ross]

Can we have some eyesign photos like the ones Jack used to put on for everyone to rate. I used to enjoy reading everyones ratings

 Hi Tom,

 I have added the first eye photo for rating to this topic. I have plenty of eye photos, of my birds and will try to put a new one on each week or 2.

[connie]

2006

The first 4 were one drop and the next 6 were minutes behind them to finish the 10 bird limit in 5 minutes and 18 seconds. All had a drink before being clocked.

1st. was a Jack Barkel eyesign bred bird
2nd. was a Jack Barkel ES bred bird
3rd. was a gift bird from our Club's eyesign gentleman (last year he won
12/14 old bird races)
4th. bred from my past mentor, Leo's ES teaching, before he passed away
5th.was a Jack Barkel ES bred bird
7th.was a Jack Barkel ES bred bird
8th.bred by my son Ross, following Jack's ES method's
9th.bred from my past mentor Leo's ES teaching, before he passed away
11th. was a Jack Barkel ES bred bird
12th. bred from my past mentor Leo's ES teaching, before he passed away.

14 of the next 20 birds home were also ES birds.

[connie]

I have 2 of Jack's Video's on eyesign left for sale.